None were ever convicted due to being men of god. Answer (1 of 7): >> Why are Baptist Churches so legalistic? They sent their kids to Bob Jones and Pensacola the only choices permitted to them. A god who condemns people to an eternal hell for evil committed during a human lifespan isnt worthy of worship. This list sounds alot like the Mennonite Church rule book. Why? But if you think most of the people in your church would do that, or stand by those who did, your optimism is unwarranted. Autonomy of local churches: each church is independent. The Star-Telegram discovered at least 412 allegations of sexual misconduct in 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and their affiliated institutions, spanning 40 states and Canada. Thou shalt wear the sweatshirts & caps of your favorite basketball team; they are only evil & worldly if you choose to go to college there. Although I did finally deconvert I resent the years I lost trying to live under these ridiculous guidelines. The network of churches and schools has often covered up the crimes and helped relocate the offenders, an eight-month Star-Telegram investigation has found. God changes his mind several times in the Bible. We took sweet fellowship together. Thou shalt leave tracts in various and sundry places: the aisles of Walmart, in library books, at the doctors office, so that all may know the Good News of the Gospel. We could literally sit here all day adding standards to this; these guys are constantly changing on a whim. In America, a former member of the Church of England, Roger Williams, separated from officials in the Massachusetts Bay Colony over his belief about church functions. Unless you are a college student on a bus route. They attended Bill Gothard seminars and proudly embraced that whole creepy business. Thou wilt pledge money on the last Sunday evening of every month to the building fund even if you cant pay your rent or mortgage on the first. The short answer is that going to the movies supported Hollywood. The Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life puts IFB members at 2.5 percent of Americans. I surrendered to preach, and was called to the Lord's ministry as a result of growing up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. Thousands have come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because one man followed in obedience where the Lord led. 3. Trieber did not respond to interview requests. I wasnt surprised at all when I heard he had an affair with his secretary. Twice in the New Testament, Paul gives long lists of human behaviors that preclude people from inheriting the kingdom of God. She then administers [to a three-year-old] about ten slow, patient licks on his bare legs. It's you who are singing the songs that need to be heard. Great emphasis is placed on the literal interpretation of the Bible as the primary method of Bible study. [8] They refuse any form of ecclesial authority other than that of the local church. The Star-Telegram included in its count churches where alleged abusers had served before or after alleged abuse occurred because the allegations could affect the congregants. They didn't sink deep enough. Dented, maybe, a little -- but definitely not broken. A minority of Baptists contend that Baptist churches originated in the first century, deducing their claim from the fact that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. Think, learn, and dont be a judgmental asshole. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination paints a picture of God also as one who is a military leader, unhappy with all the disobedience happening among his people and patiently waiting for when he can punish us and correct our deviant behavior. It upheld what it believed to be. *, At Christianity Today, Kate Shellnut offers a short, helpful summary of the Star-Telegrams horrifying findings, along with some reporting on how the independent fundamentalist Baptist community is responding to its revelations (not well). Henry, John Harold Ockenga and others sought to separate themselves from the label fundamentalist and seek out a more irenic, culturally-engaged version of conservative Protestantism, some descendants of the original fundamentalist movement of the 1920s were not very happy about it. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. Brightseat Rd + Third St. $43,000 - $55,000 a year. If your reliably unreliable Comcast wifi cuts out, or if your screen-saver kicks in, the paywall will prevent you from finishing the article. NOT so that we can all march over there and say "huzzah! Tags: Independent Fundamental Baptist The Gospel Kent Brandenburg's Assessment of Independent Baptists By Jim Apr 29 2015 You could look into resolutions by Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International or World Congress of . Another rule for students was that thou shalt not attend the roller skating rink upon threat of expulsion. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. Both times, people knew about his would-be abusers behavior and did nothing to stop it. Its pastor is divinely appointed and accountable to no earthly authority. , I was brought up in evangelical churches which clung to much of this dogma. Thanks! We were, I suppose, fundamentalist with evangelical highlights. I wondered how in the world that man could look at his wife much less have sex with her because why would you defile such a woman who looked so sheepish and innocent!! Every abortion, without exception, is murder. Sarah Smith and the other reporters and editors who worked on this deserve great credit and gratitude. See where Im going with this? Thou shalt go to KFC on Sundays after services. I was recently asked to write a few words of support and love for the members of two Facebook groups, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Do Right Hyles-Anderson. It really is that simple. It was beyond comprehension in my little brain back then. Where you claim what's true. Thou waist. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. If she doesnt approve of this, tough; she shouldve thought of that before she married you. So men cant have facial hair but women can? A new website has launched with the aim of helping single New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (NIFB) find each other for hopes of love and matrimony, with a niche focus and stringent guidelines being a feature, not a bug. If you are a young woman, thou shalt wear knee-length dresses, with hose and heels at summer camp in the woods in the red clay mud when it rains. This letter is in downloadable as a PDF here. The biggest difference would be in the way they practice separation. As I once told a liberal congregation, the IFB church I grew up in had an eleventh commandment in their Bibles, Thou shalt not [fill in the blank]. Sarcasm, yes, however, I swear they half the time they invented it as they went along. ? A case in which an adult woman publicly accused a prominent pastor of having manipulated her at age 16 into giving him oral sex and having an adulterous relationship: When Giovanelli resigned from Golden State Baptist College after the abuse allegation went viral, the chancellor of the college and the pastor of its affiliated church asked the congregation to pray for the church, the college, and the Giovanelli family. While practices can vary from church to church, independent fundamental Baptists do share some core beliefs, according to Christianity Today: that the Bible is the divinely inspired and inerrant word of God, for example, and that people should use only the King James Version of the text.Independent fundamental Baptists refrain from engaging in pop culture and many also home-school their kids. Look at homosexuality within the priesthood. We will be far too busy with other concerns of self to think about the presence of others we might by then hope would be there with us. Pastors of large churches and leaders of fundamentalist institutions such as Bob Jones, John R. Rice, and Jack Hyles still identified with the label fundamentalist. This movement was characterized by a staunch commitment to biblical orthodoxy filteredthrough the King James Bible, an adherence to second-degree separation or that idea that Christians must separate themselves frombothunbelievers (the world)andfellow conservative Protestants who did not separate sufficiently enough from unbelievers (Billy Graham and the rest of the neo-evangelicals fell into this second category), and a propensity for strong white preachers who ran independent congregations that were not accountable to denominations. The church I grew up in dwelt somewhere in that space. Human life begins at conception. Get tough. You loved, and loved, and loved some more. No compromise. SPECIAL: Prayer Changes Your Brain in 4 Amazing Ways 1. * This paywall nonsense is unnecessary, counter-productive, and really disrespectful of the papers investigative team. A veteran of three decades of magazine and newspaper journalism, hehas also written three New York Times bestsellersLive Not By Lies, The Benedict Option, andThe Little Way of Ruthie Lemingas well asCrunchy ConsandHow Dante Can Save Your Life. Your word is final. They are going out of their way to send a few to heaven, while you are going out of your way to send a few more to hell. Thou shalt not eat at a restaurant on Sunday. Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear shall be amended as follows: WOMEN ONLY shall be permitted no more than one piercing in the earlobe of each ear. The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. The reason why Im so fervent, so passionate about it this morning is because I relived all of those feelings of what its like to be abused and the one that does the abuse is the one that always comes out the other side smelling like a rose and goes down the road to another church so he can do it again to somebody else.. Seems redundant. I grew up with kids who were in churches like that one. But they also have a high regard for the Bible. They preferred to remain ignorant of evidence suggesting that something in the air around the plant was giving them cancer. I've heard of Dan Souza, but that's about all. I didnt understand the extremes of it and was so glad for makeup, but why yell about it from the pulpit?! Jackson filed a police report. Please read the commenting rules before commenting. Each IFB church is wholly autonomous and free from any outside governance. And the papers paywall wont allow you to reload any given article, meaning that youve got to get all the way through some very long reads in one go. A few members of that church were hard-core, old-school fundies. I remember one of the missionary wives who was married to the man who used to be a division leader in the bus ministry at hac and fbc and I always thought she looked and dressed so incredibly homely, almost as if she walked straight out of Little House on the Prairie set. Can same-sex couples be married in your church? As a transgender woman, I find that interesting, to say the least! Mullins knew that he had faculty problems, Sampey did, Fuller did, McCall did . BTW, I went to Carolina Baptist College, Reidsville, NC, (Reidsville Baptist Church, Pastor Jerry Carter,) 1998-2002. As media eagerly services our culture's tendency toward increasingly polarized divisions, it's helpful to remember that 72.7 percent of Americans are Christians who are not IFB. I've been looking for a church that does baptisms and a church up the road does them. You are a lying snake and lost as Hogan's goat." Pastor Tom Cassidy, First Baptist Church, Spring Valley, CA Or their kids just went to Rutgers, but with the assurance that they would be faithful members of a Campus Crusade chapter there. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. When the baby bit, she pulled hair (an alternative has to be sought for baldheaded babies). New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Questions About Independent Fundamental Baptists, Leighton Flowers, & Justin Peters Right Response Ministries 36K subscribers Subscribe 10K views 1 month ago GEORGETOWN Can you name one thing. READ THE REST OF THE SERIES: Part 1: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders reject reforms. You showed up, ready to play. I cant for the life of me understand why, disgruntled as you are, you would go out of your way to take a personal hand in someones trip to eternal punishment. If I do Ill comment on this comment with details. Be firm with him. The pastor, Jack Trieber, dressed in a yellow tie and matching pocket square, reached into his pocket to put on his glasses before reading a statement that allegations of inappropriate conduct had been made against Giovanelli. If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. If this doesnt work, she shall make the Sunday evening edition, Enjoy everyone! Single. And like everyone else in the world you want that love to mean something, to be incorporated into and desired by something worthy of it. Twenty-one abuse allegations were uncovered exclusively by the Star-Telegram, and others were documented in criminal cases, lawsuits and news reports. Dr. R has some real practical theology problems. The network of churches and schools has often. I thank God for that newspaper and what it has done for His children. Homosexuals are evil perverts who despise God and should be kept away from society generally and children especially. Get your act together, Star-Telegram senior staff. It could be the case that Bishop Andonios is lying here. Part 3: All . You're the strength. KJV was the only Bible in English, and that is the stand I intend to die on. These other distinctions, distinctives and emphases all serve, in varying degrees, as proxies for that.). He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. God's Grace bible study podcast is a Independent Fundamental Baptist pobcast we use the KJV 1611 only. My question is: Are you judging all IFB pastors and deacons by the standards you kept for yourself in the pulpit for forty-five years? Many watch movies in their home.what is the difference? I may yet end up in Hell myself, but I wont see you there, nor will you see me. Are you saying God is a legalist? You loved when you had no more love to give. Those independent Baptist churches which teach, as very many of them do, that the God-given inspired word of God is the King James Version typically teach that every other translation of the Bible is part of a conspiracy to remove the King James Bible, the ONLY real Bible, from our churches. He cries in pain. History of Landmarkism. When the apostles, the first members of the first church, and others went out preaching the Gospel and establishing other churches, this authority was transferred to them. The Problem Among Independent Baptists with the Gospel By TylerR Jan 25 2016 We've got to get more serious about the gospel, what it is and what we say that it is or what we will allow to be called the gospel. They kept what they needed. The one thing I do want to say for anyone just making their way out of the darkness of IFB is this: that you once so thoroughly bought into IFB is a sign of your strength, not your weakness. All of it so true and I laughed out loud at some of them!!! You loved them in that (and a million other) ways. That is their unforgiveable sin. But Black Baptists reject the MAGA revolution that has taken the GOP, and the SBC, by storm. For the larger child, a belt or larger tree branch is effective. People who think that sexual abuse and its systematic cover-up is something that happens only in Roman Catholic Churches ought to read this devastating series in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, about how the same thing has been happening in a national network of independent fundamental Baptist churches. This is especially important, since the pastor needs his bodyguard detail rotated every so often. Excerpt: Stories like that display a Roman Catholic problem, right? What a list! The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings. Okay I'd like to say I am a fundamental Baptist and I am attending a local Baptist church, yes that's the name of this site. So hard to tell if it is a cult. If they really loved God they would have loved you and everyone else in a manner befitting that love: properly, carefully, consistently. Independent Baptists are not part of any denominational organization, such as the Southern Baptist Convention. Many say baptism is required for salvation and I have been pushed to do so. Sorted by: 1. People do not like to be made to confront ugly things. It was they who lied -- first to themselves, and then to you. Biblical authority: the Bible is God's inspired Word and the final authority for what a person believes and practices. Ugh. Memo to former Evangelicals: be like Kathy. Human nature is a destructive force. concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, it opted to go it alone. Women not wearing pants, women not working, women being not allowed to speak up in church, have any sort of leadership role, etc. The Lord Jesus Christ Saves - His Plan of Salvatio Real Men Love Pink A Collection of Quotes by A. W. Pink, Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church, as found in the New Testament. You dont report to police because the pastor is the ultimate authority, not the government.. For the sake of consistency in training, you must follow through. Their page says "Our church is a friendly fundamental Bible-believing Independent Baptist . Hyles flight to safety has become a well-worn path for ministers in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. And screw 'em if they do. However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. Educating children at home or in IFB K-12 schools is necessary in order to protect them from the knowledge and ways of a fallen and corrupt world. Will you join us? I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Roberson, a couple of times, when I was in College! It's chief spokesman was J.R. Graves (1820-1893) and other key early figures include A.C. Dayton (1813-1865) and J.M. I was never attacked by them, and to the best of my knowledge neither were my siblings. Can LGBTQ people join your church, teach Sunday school, preach? You love passionately, deeply and inexorably. I really want to write a book or start a podcast about all this shit at some point. in fundamentalism for pastors and churches and ministries to just gloss over and sweep under the rug things of absolute epic proportion, he said in the video. Additionally, many independent Baptist fundamentalists practice "second-degree separatism," distancing themselves not only from "the world" but also from fellow Christians who do not share. Baptism therefore represents the Gospel, which consists of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. If you need to flag this entry as abusive. Most of us have seen situations in the workplace, or in our families, in which whistleblowers were despised and cast out for telling the truth about a situation that threatened people within the group. (Please note: if thou art truly right with God, the only acceptable team to pull for is Michigan State). ', (And since weve mentioned Bob Jones twice now, we should also mention that he was above all else a white supremacist. It is a Bible Baptist church. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards. The writings that I've read from former IFBs are some of the strongest testimonies to the strength and decency of the human spirit I've ever come across. Any issues, even legal issues, go to the pastor first, not the police. When in the 1940s and 1950s former fundamentalists such as Billy Graham, Carl F.H. If you'd like to see the rest of this post (the whole of which was too large to post here), thank you and it's here. For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. The submissiveness of women to their husbands can be found here which is not only present in churches, this is a cultural phenomenon which also impacts the faith. By way of justifying infant "training" and the continued "submission of the will" of children, IFB parents point to these lines in The Book of Proverbs: "To Train Up a Child," by fundamentalist Christian minister Michael Pearl and his wife Debi, is very popular within the IFB. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. But evangelicals should recognize that clerical sex abuse is widespread, and some evangelical and fundamentalist churches do cover up problems and pass them on to others. The website, New IFB Singles, is a ministry of Veracity Baptist Church and is lead by New . If he continues to show defiance by jerking around and defending himself, or by expressing anger, then she will wait a moment and again lecture him and again spank him. Fundies forget that God can do a sudden I have changed my mind crazy Ivan on them at any moment. This is 100% the independent Baptist school I attended. And may you recognize your error while there is still time. Dreherlives in Baton Rouge, La. The church shall pray for her to get right with her lord (and her pastor). This will of course be true with any large group of people. Below are five beliefs that set apart Baptists from other Protestant Christians. You have all the information you need to attack me for making this statement, but I assure you that there is very little left to attack. When he spoke out, other pastors condemned him. Of course not. And in a real and important sense you will always love them. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. Thus the words "Independent" and "Fundamental . Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) is a loosely-affiliated, cultish denomination of Christian fundamentalists. Fritts' church is affiliated with The New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement and is listed along with 29 others on the movement's website, which explicitly states that it is not a denomination. 6.) They controlled the process except for the final approval. NIFB Is A Cult | The NIFB Will Not Be Tolerated. It's just the nature of them I guess. Every Evangelical sect/church/pastor/evangelist/missionary/congregant has their own rules they think are Biblical. You just dont like this particular list of rules because they run counter to your Biblical list. Thou shalt believe in pre-millennial rapture unless your pastor believes in post-millennial rapture.