You are using an out of date browser. All calculations were done by hand using formulas, please let me know if anything seems off. I load 115gr Berry's plated at 1.125" with 4.5gr of Titegroup. 9 mm Luger - Published Manufacturer Loading Data. Went out and tested 4 more loads today (2 of the same load) and got extremely similar results. I have load some test rounds (not shot yet) and used the data from Hodgon website. Clear editor. Today, it is a popular military and law enforcement handgun cartridge. It's the cheapest and most available powder for 9mm in my area. I am gonna give it a try. You accidentally load this into a rifle, or a larger pistol cartridge, its super dangerous. I haven't shot any yet but it would be disappointing if I had to pull 150 bullets. This is my first time posting a link to a google sheets doc. Is this not a safe load? I have been using 3.3gr Titegroup under 147fmj at 1.15 coal. . In 2016, Phillip was nominated for Scout Sniper Instructor of the Year for his meticulous instruction that resulted in institutional changes in the training of Marine Scout Snipers in both formal schools and unit level training. I looked at 9mm load data for 115, 124, 147gr and the range for Titegroup is, well, tight. The 9mm Makarov and 9mm Luger velocities of 1,000 fps and 1,100 fps respectively were quite respectable, especially in the short-barreled SIG SAUER P365. Pasted as rich text. In 2015, Ryan and Dianna traveled to over 36 events across the world, including Italy and New Zealand. Jan 30, 2011 (Edited) I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. He also placed second in the World Elk Calling competition. Nuff said. Excellent pistol powder for accuracy and cowboy action shooting. For very low charge weights the opening is not big enough to constantly fill the volume resulting in very erratic metering. Dianna has been highlighted by the NRA in American Warrior, the Washington Post and NRA Women. I've had good luck with 3.4gr of Titegroup with the 147fmj boolit. Believe me, I'm not TRYING to stretch or bend any rules. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. What type of a load are you attempting to develope? If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I am using TiteGroup for 9mm, but I`m loading 124 gr. As an fyi, stay away from the 147gr berrys with titegroup. I remember seeing something similar here long time back. He has over 35 years experience in shooting, with approximately 50 tons of projectiles downrange with the assistance of Hodgdon Powder. 3.4 gr. Looks like i will test some 4.0 and 4.2 as long as they stay below 1200. And by comparison the Lyman 49th shows titegroup at 4.0gr to 4.5gr max for the same Hornady XTP bullet. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DSbEZeGeToe2YIoHyMXMjO9Oyp_dvQEM7VJ3tqfdwg0/edit?usp=sharing. All bullets were taper crimped as a separate step in the handloading . (3.2-3.6g from the Hodgdon website). My name is Robert Brantley and I have been obsessed with precision rifle since 2007. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified". Next, plated bullets have tradionally been loaded using cast lead data. 4 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: 6 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. The gun to be used is a Sig M11-A1 9mm, 4" barrel, standard recoil spring. Except that is going to be huge high pressure and very dangerous. Special Order 9MM (.356) 38/.357 (.358) 125 Gr Round Nose; 147 Gr Round Nose; 158 Gr Semi Wad Cutter; . It also burns hot, runs hot in your gun. MM thanks for that comment on the adjustable charge bar. Unique - 4.6 gn - 1100 fps. With velocities at 1046 to 1119. The Lee second edition manual shows 115gr jacketed has 4.8gr max at 1.125 oal for 1158fps. And how are you metering 3.3gr? /wp-content/uploads/2016/08/HODGDON_LOGO_DARK.png, https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/titegroup_1_lb.jpg. Her assignments included Patrol, Street Crimes, Narcotics, and Gangs. I havent had a problem yet. As a rule though, i try to keep it at the distance specified by the chrono brands i`m using. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! All of them are asking their parents for shotshell presses now. Why? With my setup using the .32 orifice I get 3.5-3.6gr, .34 orifice 3.6-3.8gr and with the .37 orifice 4.1-4.2gr is dispensed. Its makes your gun a somewhat heat machine. 1.100 in. Because it's a fast powder well suited to moderate-to-light recoil/PF loads, and because it is. Brian Neace grew up in Southern Idaho in the Snake River Plain, surrounded by miles and miles of high desert to the north and bordered on the south by public wilderness. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. I do know its about mid charge range tho. You cannot paste images directly. RN for about 10 years with excellent results in my Glocks and STI pistols. ABOUT WYATT: Wyatt is 14 years old and has also hunted Africa, Hawaii and other states as well. He is a four-time World Champion, 13-time National Champion, the only Triple Crown winner in Action Shooting Sports and has 600+ (and counting) local and regional shooting competitions. Make an introduction to Jake and youll instantly receive a big grin and firm handshake. Otherwise I would go 10% below the start for the closest slug the book had. By 2011, she sold her farm and all of her horses to focus on 3-Gun and the 2nd Amendment. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Feb 27, 2020. Hodgdon on line data is a good place to look. Look at the large picture below, you can see, a normal load barely fills the case, its way down in there. I didn't use TG; it was Longshot (or WW452AA?) I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. I've had no issues in sever thousand loads, other than having to adjust COAL a few thousandths one way or the other. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. was 1146fps. This works well for me, although the TG seems to meter a bit inconsistant, so I bought some WSF to try out. I thought one was supposed to be at least 10 feet away from the chronograph when measuring velocity. Powder is generally +/- 0.1 gr as it dropped using a Hornady powder drop on my Dillon xl650(although usually right at the listed charge). There simply isn't much load data for the super-heavy 9mm bullets. I don't pay so much attention to the bullet manufacturer when loading. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. As long as they cycle fine in your guns, you should be good to go. Only time I used TG in 9mm it was 4.5grs. The snubnosed .38 and .45 ACP handloads also turned in good results. Im liking the W231 better as of late in the 9mm tho. I`m using 3.8 gr for the plated, and 4.2 gr for the JHP. But we're just a free cock punch away from finding out how badass you really are. Titegroup This is a flattened spherical powder. Brian now competes in both the PRS and NRL Pro series. Both Plated round nose and JHP. This section shows you A LOT of information about 9 MM powders and how they compete against each other using the same brass, same bullet, same OAL, same primer, same gun, same day, same conditions..the only thing that is different is the powder. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys hunting and fishing with his family and mentoring youth through his ministry service. We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. Posted by David Blankenship on Aug 12th 2022. The bullets I have available are 124gr/125gr plated and jacketed and 147gr plated. I wonder why the difference. Used Titegroup and a variety of different weight and mfg bullets. PF is between 130-135 depending on gun. I've been shooting 4.0 grains of Titegroup with Berry's 124gr. I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. I plan on using Titegroup since I have it for my 45ACP. No issues there. I have tried this load out of my G34 and I am getting around 140PF to nearly 150PF. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. 2.8 gr. This is a new powder to me and I understand that it is a fast burn powder. JavaScript is disabled. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. Does it make a difference? A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. Posted by Donald H Nolen on Sep 26th 2022. He is also the past Editor of Blackpowder Guns and Hunting Magazine. If you can't find a properly developed published load for that combination, do yourself a favor: Call Hodgdon, and ask them for the specific load data. We recommend that you use published lead load data from reputable sources. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Phillip is a 10-year Marine Corps veteran having served his whole career in the Scout Sniper community. Dianna currently competes in the role of Captain for Team Benelli. Like many reloaders I ended up with 6 or 7 different powders for my pistols until I shot 5 rounds from each similar FPS loads from a bench. Be sure to enter theNES/MFS March Giveaway ***Taurus G3c***. These loads were tested using my Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph Premium Kit. Then work up from there. You can find Ryan on Shooting Gallery on The Outdoor Channel, and Realtree.com. Appreciate the input. For 231 I used 4.3 gr @ 1.130" OAL. Some take the caution a little farther than needed but really nothing wrong with that. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser settings before proceeding. Hollow points may be shorter so COAL may vary some. They're mostly for use in an M11/9 submachinegun but they work fine in a S&W Shield also. He play trumpet in the Junior High Band and I am an honor roll student at St. Pats. #1 As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. Im loading either 115gr or 125gr HP. I was ordering my daughter an archery set and decided to order a Lee classic loader in 9mm. It is very aggravating not be able to find a load data for the particular bullet you'd like to use. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. We believe the 2nd Amendment is best defended through grass-roots organization, education, and advocacy centered around individual gun owners. Thanks all. I saw that there, Rusty, but I need data for FMJ, not HP. I have seen anything from 3.7-4.4 grains recommended. If I don't like it, I will give it to my buddy After working up a lighter load for my daughter I ended up with 124 grain plated bullet and 4.4 grains of Titegroup. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. Can't keep enough at the house. Titegroup: 0.356" 1.100" 3 . Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER TO STAY UP ON THE LATEST. In addition, she is also an outdoor writer and photographer, as well as a national seminar speaker. Keyboards and steering wheels bring out the absolute worst in people. A precision rifle enthusiast and owner of GA Precision, George likely needs little introduction. Titegroup works very well for the load I am using on a wildcat. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. Loading is always at your own risk. In addition to shooting, Zach plays plays baseball, basketball, football, and track & field. Starting load is 4.5gr for 1135fps. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 4.2 of titegroup over a 124FMJ is my 9mm load. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. Cases were mixed brands of commercial brass and not sorted by maker. After taking up competitive shooting in 2016, she, won the Precision Rifle Series Production division in 2017 with her Savage Stealth. My question is how much would you load into a 158gr bullet. Snake River PRS club has become his pride and joy with a dedication to growing the sport by recruiting and supporting new and youth shooters. That will allow you to get a finer-tuned powder drop. It's accurate and reliable. 9mm has a rather consistent 115gr OAL. JavaScript is disabled. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. In the last several years I have really focussed on the PRS, ELR, and NRL Hunter. The Wester #1 and Sierra #7 Manuals have 9mm +P data. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Makes 900fps out of my G17. For over 25 years, he has worked in the firearms industry in product development, working and consulting with small arms manufacturing and related products. Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. with 125 Gr Blue Bullets. Still using same load years later and it's a good round. 9mm/38 Caliber 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder By looking4reloadingdeals December 31, 2019 in 9mm/38 Caliber Share Followers 0 Reply to this topic Start new topic 513 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Hello everyone, I have been putting together some load data for some of the loads I use commonly. The loads highlighted in yellow are those that I found work best for me. I didn't think 4.5 grains was a max load either, because on the Titegroup container it says that for 115gr Speer GDHP max load is 4.8 gr. I shoot X-treme plated at 4.1 grains. First reloading experience was disappointing until I learned the process and started making very consistent ammo. I use tight group for 9mm. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! At first I was a little leery when I could not find the exact bullet I wanted to use with the powder I was using. I have been all over the internet looking for a good, sound load for my 9mm. In cases like this 9mm I would use the start data for the next heavier slug if that was there. Its popularity soared after World War II, and the U.S. military adopted the 9x19mm as its service pistol round in 1985. When we are sold out, we are sold out. I want to be safe. After graduating college, Ryan moved to Tulsa, OK to take a position as a plastics engineer and in 2011 began shooting 3-Gun competitively. I think someone posted that very information just yesterday. Better like this than some of the disasters I've seen where someone basically takes a wild guess at something. Close w/ TG can be problematic. I have found it to be very accurate, and prefer it over my power pistol loads. I used data for 115gr FMJ because I thought that's what the Berry's bullets were. and 8 lb. She helps organize and coordinate Arizonas own national level event, the Tactical Precision Rifle Challenge. TiteGroup is too fast burning to be a good universal powder. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. In her free time, she shoots in NRL22 club matches around the Kansas City area, where she lives with her husband Shane and where she works as a pharmacist. After this I would consider most all of the load data above close enough to start load development with. Loading 9mm RN with Titegroup data horsegoalie Apr 24, 2013 H horsegoalie Rating - 100% 6 0 0 Joined Sep 18, 2012 Messages 284 Likes 27 Apr 24, 2013 #1/11 I am starting a load with some Berry's 115gr RN plated bullets and Titegroup. Need to be careful with plated bullets because not all are created equal. After serving his country, George spent 20 years serving his community as a police officer. Sowhat about Titegroup and what do some cases look like? This made me wonder if it is a velocity issue, or a powder charge below 3.7gr issue since all these loads are for the same bullets. C.O.A.L. Soon I got a lot more comfortable as I did it a lot. In 2016, she plans to lead a delegate of women to Capitol Hill in an effort to give legislators a face to put with gun owners. All I ever used was Bullseye powderlove it. A forum community dedicated to Carolina firearm owners and enthusiasts. No Charges? Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Through shooting, Zach has met many people in the shooting community. 4.2, 1.155 coal will work well. I don`t recall my OAL for either without looking in my load notebook. Phillip Velayo currently serves as Gunwerks Long Range University Lead Instructor. Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. Hope this helps some others develop some loads. Better to be too careful than blow something up. COAL are generally +/- 0.005" seated using Lee seating die. Anything between 3.6 and 4.0 should work fine. 2019 Alabama Precision Long Range Challenge 5th, 2021 Alabama Precision Long Range Classic 3rd. As with any load data posted on the internet, please start testing low and work your way up. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. Hmmm, I use the .40 cavity and get pretty consistent 4.5gn drops with Titegroup. Hodgdon.com says 3.9-4.3gr for LRN. A lot of this powder fits in a case, over 10 grains, easily. Titegroup I use 4 gr @ 1.130". A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. A plated bullet (Berry's, Rainier Ballistics) falls between the two. So filling up half way looks normal. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. I consider the type of bullet. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. Nuts accurate. THR Group Project - PISTOL - Advanced Reloading Concepts and Discussions. 3 grains? A licensed Montana Professional Outfitter and Guide freelance writer, his articles and photographs have been featured in magazines including Outdoor Life, American Hunter, American Rifleman, Field and Stream. As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. Obligatory start low and work your way upSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk, Went out and tested 4 more loads today (2 of the same load) and got extremely similar results. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. tysdad115 Rating - 100% 15 0 0 Joined Jake travels the country shooting, directing precision rifle matches, and teaching precision rifle classes. Wish i could find it again. Its easy to double charge your rounds, as you will barely notice. Regina Milkovich has been the leading female in precision rifle shooting since she first picked up a rifle in 2009. We recommend upgrading your current browser or. containers. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. On 1/7/2020 at 8:30 PM, looking4reloadingdeals said. I am doing 3.7gr of Titegroup 124gr bullet. I was happy at 4.0 gr in M&P 9 and Sig p938. You don't want to just use data from a similar bullet. Most manuals stop at 147 grains, though Hodgdon and Vihtavuori have data for 150 grain bullets. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon and this year is scheduled to be as busy as any while shooting 4 different series. 6 grains? The terrain in Southern Idaho often requires a hunter to be able to take shots at 400 yards and well beyond. This link will be updated as I continue to develop more loads and test them. Recently, well, a few months back, I loaded a thousand of the X-Treme 124gr PRN for my neighbor. You say that now. I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. All loads used Winchester Small Pistol primers. A couple months later, Zach shot USAYESS competition in Grand Island. Doubling that will come close to including practice rounds spent at his one-of-a-kind shooting range he built on the edge of the Snake River Canyon. They are calibrated at/for specified distances. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. A lead bullet is a lead bullet as long as were talking a medium hardness. Boris_La . Retired LEO/Rangemaster, Glock armorer, pistol instructor, Endowment NRA member. You will get better accuracy and much better function with a mid-burn rate powder such as Unique, Universal, AA#5, or Power Pistol. Ryan earned a Bachelors of Science in Chemistry and Plastics Engineering as well as a Masters of Science in Engineering Technologies. After starting a life and career in Tulsa, she pursued barrel racing until she found 3-Gun in 2009. We will pass. I always set up my chrono at 10ft from the muzzle. Does anyone have a link to somewhere with this info? Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! Both are off according to the newer data I am not afraid to pull them apart and use data that I can easily find and a powder that has more bullets listed for it. Starting at mid range up to max. Currently Jake has over 65 top three podium finishes in the last four years, another record! I know a lot of USPSA shooters who use it for their 9mm minor loads. This powder, like other very fast pistol powders, are not good for higher velocity ammunition and really only good for budget shooting ammo, competitions, or standard pressure ammo. I would like a lighter load for practicenothing too hot. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! Pressure 27,100 to 31,400. In my time I have worked on improving myself to take it as high as I can. Started at 3.8 but it would not cycle my guns correctly so had to up it. My brother gave me some Titegroup. The more inexpensive "competition" powder. Hardware Reloading 9mm load for 124gr with Titegroup G-Lo Jan 11, 2015 G-Lo Rating - 100% 8 0 0 Joined Jul 22, 2012 Messages 588 Likes 38 Jan 11, 2015 #1/18 Hey all- I wanted to ask you guys what have you liked for 9mm 124gr plated bullets using Titegroup. Precision is making and looks forward to the future of creating the best professional custom rifles on the market. She recently took on the role of Southwest Regional Director for the Precision Rifle Series. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. Here is what I have to work with and have used a combination of 3 books, 3 magazines, and self-reported loads from the interwebs. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! ABOUT CHAD: Chad is a world champion elk caller and two-time Eastern US Elk Calling Champion. This is a capture from the Sierra load data with Titegroup starting at 1000fps. Me thinks not, but I could be wrong. I usually use the data for lead bullets when i load plated ones. There have been some top 10 ELR finishes as well but I dont remember the specifics. I didn't think I was moving that fast, I just didn't know that I couldn't use FMJ data for the Berry's bullets. One is hard pressed to find a nicer person. Walkalong, that was my guess also, but there are other fast powders listed with 900fps and 950fps loads. Lee made a micro charge disc that may help with small loads. Diannas also won the 2015 NRA World Shooting Championship Ladies title. The larger permanent cavity may lead to faster blood loss. It will damage a blood vessel the smaller projectile barely misses. I tried to make it "view only", if for some reason it does not come across that way please don't edit the document and let me know so I can adjust it. There aint nothin like the smell of burnt gunpowder in the mornin. You can post now and register later. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I dont remember my powder charger right off the top of my head. Runs 100% reliable in everything, including 9mm AR and Beretta CX4 Storm. Maximum loads from Sierra: 115 gn bullets: Titegroup - 3.6 gn - 1100 fps. In Brians first full season, he achieved several top ten finishes, two regional match wins, and a 20thplace overall finish in the National Rifle League. looking4reloadingdeals Works good in everything from my 1911 to Glock YMMV. He still serves the NKCPD as a Range Officer volunteer today. YMMV. Shooting steel plates or need to shoot fast? and seated them to 1.150" as best as I recall. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. She has been named as a co-host on Shooting Gallery on the Outdoor Channel. containers. So it is interesting that the starting 124gr load did not show a load for 900fps. Same load just use the coal from another powders load. A longtime resident of Virginia, Todd competes in over 16 different shooting disciplines (to include USPSA, 3-Gun, Steel Challenge, IDPA, Olympic Rapid Fire, Shotgun Shooting Sports). He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. JavaScript is disabled. Notes: Chronograph figures are for five rounds taken with the start screen at approximately 6 feet. Depending upon the cartridge overall length. When you load this stuff, you better be focused on what you are doing, its not recommended for anyone that loads with many powders around, constantlys swapping powders. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. What's the difference between the Berry's plated bullets and FMJ? Reply Quote. His proven expertise in firearm manipulation and shooting techniques has enhanced the skills of countless individuals and agencies. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. I use titegroup for 9mm using the Lee charge disk on my turret press. I am about to load my first rounds and need some data. Chad is also the Director of Advertising & Media Relations for CVA Muzzleloaders, PowerBelt Bullets, Bergara USA, DuraSight Rings and Bases, Quake Industries and Konus Optics. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. Each week the Schearer family will hunt with a variety of weapons from archery, muzzleloader and shotgun to centerfire rifles and will not only focus on the hunt, but will be filled with educational tips to make the viewers better sportsmen and sportswomen. is 1.150" with Hornandy bullets. Baseball won over for a time when it took him to Gonzaga University on scholarship as a pitcher for the Bulldogs. behind a 115gr. An avid shooter and outdoorsman, George takes pride in the quality custom rifles that G.A. Nam Vet, TiteGroup burns too fast for 9mm. Used for my 9mm loads mostly. Unique. Makes an impression on you. I use Titegroup in my sig p320. I have found charge weights that fall in the allowable range. Thanks for your patience.