This girl is delusional. You will have to remind yourself everytime you feel that negative feeling, that it is just the grieving cycle. They might actually be crazy. Your identity and who you are has changed. And go by Rickys advice, I agree 100% it is effective. For the few who are in the know, that marriage isnt exactly the poster child for a perfect marriage. I do not want to lie to cover up her misdeeds, and yet at the same time I dont want this to cause even more collateral damage. So unless you have reason to believe that there will be a positive outcome, it may be best to avoid a confronting the other person. Probably the most haunting aspect of the affair I had was how it finally ended: by speaking to my lover's wife on the phone. He didnt but I keep a close eye on him. Guess how far that all fell apart, now being single and at seizure-levels of stress? To what purpose ? If you want to join them, that I can undetstand. Do you realy think you are going to change her behaviour Or is this how your mar DONT confront your wifes lovers. I speak as an ex-lawyer. You start confronting those guys, and you just opened up a potential legal floodgate Over analysing this is doing my head in - I need to take action, however painful. They use tracking devices to keep a tab on the love birds and their cars to corroborate the cellphone trail, photo/video evidences. The shocking twist to this story is that the purported man is not only a coworker, There was little animosity because time has passed but now I see her as a pitiful creature, a habitual affair partner who cheated on the guys she was having affairs with even though they thought it was just them. First, she says she broke things off with her lover and wanted to know if there was any possibility of reconciliation. TL;DR, but he does not need a PI, he has all the proof he needs. Built their house on land we were supposed to and made sure to get married in the city we loved as a couple so thats wrecked for me. A dreaded sinking feeling comes over you, is this the end? Emotional purgatory and indeed more complex and torturous than can be placed into words. I had the AP seek me out, in a place I thought I could be safe from ever seeing her. Isnt that the sh*t? I'm hoping to be able to see the AP one day with no reaction. He denied it at first but when faced with the undeniable evidence I presented to the pastor he confessed, said he was sorry (to the pastor - never to me or my wife) for what he had done, and that was that. Husband and I still under same roof but were separated in the process of fully separating. If they can, then at least give it another chance. When she does, I just make myself a fake profile using the name of fictional characters, and post all the details of her affair, including photos and videos she sent on her FB page, buried in comments on old posts. I have waited a year and have given it a lot of thought. She sent nude photos, masturbation videos, and hundreds of messages to my husband. Trying to get them to "get it" is futile. It didnt seem to bother her that he was lying to her - she just said what fun he must be having sleeping with us both. There is no need for me to confront my spouses lover in public. The reason her job is a concern is because her lover is her boss where she works, an obvious no-no. But a ship is not built to last, it it built to endure. I need advice on how to handle this with my wife - and if you help me I will post links to videos of her with face blurred I had to realize WHY he wanted out and forgive him to move on. If its possible, I dont want to lose that. I need him to know for me. Do you think that the other person has a good read on the situation? She wanted to know everything. For some, it will be driven by a need to get the compulsion out of their head. Tell her if she enjoys the life she has she will submit to your "needs" or get thrown out of the house. Please log in OR register. Have a gameplan in place for dealing with that. makes your wife really central. I have asked my husband to repeat to her to stop any contact but he refused, insisting that it is better to ignore her completely instead. I dont feel like a chump (well maybe I did momentarily) No, I am someone who acted on the prompting of the Holy Spirit, I can hold my head high and know that I acted with strength and dignity, keeping my burden light. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. I would like to think I'd be strong enough to walk past my UH AP one day without giving her any expression of emotion or time of day. It was helpful to me that I went into the marriage all those years ago with the attitude that I would not unnecessarily squander our marriage if he failed to live up to the commitment. Do NOT confront your sweet wife with anything. But thank God I know! That was in 1993, then, in 2019 I discovered that my H didnt stop at this 1 affair, he continued trying to fill his personal void throughout our entire marriage and this included reigniting his affair with this first woman years after I extended the olive branch Does this make me a chump? Their love cannot be denied. The sea calls to you again. 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Insist on divorce? Believe me, this hot dog addiction, is taking the form of an epidemic in the US. And only one person would be able to keep the $hit from hitting the fan. I'm sure the tellers had their antennas tuned all the way up since we were discussing infidelity and different ways to respond. When the scales fall off his eyes, he will know his way home. Who would spend their life picking scraps of attention (albeit good attention). I wished her no ill will, I just needed her to confirm that it is as in fact over. And to make matters more complicated, how someone responds during the confrontation doesnt necessarily indicate how they will respond after he or she has had time to think about what was said. My challenge remains to never the lesson but to forget ALL the details. If the other person is in the dark about the nature of your relationship with your spouse, it may help to confront him or herthus creating awareness that you are going to put up a fight and that you love your She kept asking who told me, I never told her that I read her phone messages. Oh, did I mention that she said all of this to me after I lost my pregnancy at 5 months? The only thing I will do is to walk out of the marriage. Why? b) Making point a) above, redundantwherein you and your attorney so shame her with a few select documentary evidences of her picadilloes (promising her that a much larger cache evidence is available with your attorney), that she decides not to contest the divorce, and virtually signs on dotted lines. Act absolutely normal with her, her relations, her friends, coworkers, and any mutual friends. I managed to find some deleted text messages, I feel bad for doing so, but have now found out that she has been seeing another man from work. My husband had an affair when the kids were 8 and 13. But while confronting the other woman/man may bring about a temporary sense of satisfaction, long term it probably does little to help resolve the The best solution is to talk to my husband. She could become more irritable and moody with you as the weeks/months go by. I thought to myself - how on earth can I be sued she will be telling me the truth and not manipulating the situation. Long ago, I was the other woman, the mistress, and the villain. He may feel obligated to listen to her complain about you. He is so right and thank you for helping me to accept that. It's all kibbles. Whatever you have decided by then (divorce, reconciliation etc) would be execute per your wishes and she would very well like to go in for an (uncontested) mutual amicable divorce (on your terms). Copyright 2004 Yes, you most definitely should and I'll tell you why. Chances are if u are debating a subject such as this you've recently found out your wife che Complete reversal of what she thought before. Stop hoping, praying, reasoning, panicking, dreaming. I found this a little bizarre, because she didnt seem all that earnest or enthusiastic about it. I was friendly with her as well so I contacted her and she was stunned that my wife had told me about the affair. Hugs all around. Acceptance is the best thing that will ever happen to you. I'm not sorry I did, but it probably wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done. I cut the cord. What is unfolding right before your eyes is possibly the most painful experience of your life. Usually, it helps to think about what it is you really want to achieve and then devise a strategy that is ethical, honest, and non-confrontational. Meredith, I've been married for six years to the love of my life. How to Deal With a Lying Spouse. Your wife had a 20 year affair, and you believe it was none of her fault? Confronting her would only bring more conflicts into our marriage thereby creating distance between me and my husband. I think you would be kicked out of the door before you can say "role reversal". Sorry, but better to find out now that she is what she is than 10 years down the road. The storm has passed, the boat is in tatters but still serviceable, its time to make port and see what can be done. Turns out my wife is co-dependent and her AP is a malignant narcissist; she was drawn to him like a moth to a flame. When he ended the affair, the in-laws were enraged and drove 8 hours to our city to "comfort her" since she was so devastated. What a b1tch. Most likely, youll come across as being insincere and manipulative. He claims they are not. I consider doing that an immature action. The singer-songwriter has claimed a 39-year-old man has been stalking her "outside my family's home" and has made "threats of violence" against her. if she lies to a judge about the affair and you have evidence than you have her on perjury. I owe to my family and children though and will stand in my head to make things work. I also told To outsmart her and pretend, while your team gets on her case. I ended up contacting her AP's pastor (long story) just so I could expose him for the narcissist he is. This was in June of 2017 . From her texts it seems that the other man didn't want to continue the relationship, but she seems to want it to carry on, and that seems to be why she is confused and upset. I would like to communicate with you further! What if I dont know him? Good luck. This should not be and I will try to avoid it. - S., Alabama | November 2020 Hope for Healing participant. I know that sometimes in marriage distractions can set in. @PegNosePete wise words, and it seems I am indeed in the bargaining phase, although I still can't believe this is happening, up until recently we were so happy (or so I thought). Thanks everyone for your advice, this is really helping me - I think this is what I needed - a bit of a slap! It still stings that I became a villain in someone's life story. It was a confusing, emotional and destructive time in my life, to say the least. Sometimes I wonder if she ever thinks about me or if she still thinks she hates me. I need to talk to my husband and sort out issues with him. I am vindicated! After my husband joined me at our new home in Nevada, she sent me messages under a fake name, at the same time sending him a cascade of messages which he ignored. I caught them and confronted her about the affair three months ago. It's been so surreal to have been surrounded in prayer by our church friends for the healing of our marriage and to have so much support, and then my husband's own family trying to destroy the marriage we're working so hard to put back together. I know theyve You could tell by her voice that she was far more intelligent than my lover was. Does it make a difference? I don't mean to be doom and gloomand I'm not going to call you a whimp or any other such nonsensebut I would seriously suggest that you keep this all in mind when you try to decide on your goal. I atoned for my actions. She went for sympathy from her ex-husband as well as mine. But i hope i can be of some assistance. You want to (A good PI would recommend possible divorce attorneys to hire, else you could find one of your own). If they cant give you that promise, you really dont have much to work with. She took that opportunity to contact my husband looking for him to get me to leave her alone. It would be good if you both didnt yell anyone what had happened. Really? Wednesday 18 January 2023 05:42, UK If you really think she will change then I have huge admiration for you, but it'll be a rough journey and you need to be able to be open with each other. I wish i had never done this and had never said anything to my H. Just for my ducks in a row and left preserving my dignity. It did help me just to know she knew the truth. I didn't want any details from the AP - he was 15 years older, weak, and very unattractive. Marriage is between two people; the husband and wife. Maybe the relationship wasnt meant to last and your ex-wife probably had the wandering eye for a while. Dear Mr. My Wifes Secret, You have to confront your wife. This material, and other digital content on this website, may not be reproduced, published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed in whole or in part without prior express written permission from PUNCH. Convince her to quit cheating, and work on the marriage? WTF!!! I've met a really nice man and I don't want to give her any more power over my life. Do NOT get tempted to lose your temper as well. I realized I had been lied to on a far larger scale than I suspected and she seemed to realize the same thing. Either you've got really low self-esteem and opt to be a side dish, or you're flamingly narcissistic. I never responded to her message..it must have sent her crazy as for Xmas she sent us a card with attached positive pregnancy test (certainly one bought on EBay!) Obviously, she has her own demons to battle. Dont think twice about it, or nickle and dime over it. Make it CLEAR that you're aware of the truthbut be vague on details. Leave it up to her to decide what to tell her family. I plan to confront him when this happens, for me. I work through things and my coping skills are excellent. As much as you love heryou might well be better off without her in your life, given what all has gone on. I thought she was not worth my time! I just feel like this is the best solution to give me peace of mind. For the last few weeks, Ive been sitting on this evidence, but tonight I finally confronted her, literally just a couple of hours ago. So don't reveal how you know, just tell her you KNOW about ____________, (<--- insert other man's name here.). To compare notes. If someone wants to engage in an affair, or leave you for an affair partner, no amount of rational argument is going to sway them otherwise. If these women didn't respond, then I would have moved on and dealt with what I knew to be true for me. In such a situation, the other person may be able to gain the upper hand by saying things which make you look foolish or not in control From my perspective, after whats happened, theres a 99.9% chance of divorce, and for that 0.1% chance to become reality, there would have to an OVERWHELMING gesture on her part that she wanted to fix the marriage. They don't even like for me to refer to him as their grandfather. She just sort of floated the idea out there. I will not be involved in any physical combat with anyone. Got a response. So atleast you have that going for you. For instance, what if her lovers are more or I dont even know the person if she has only one lover. Thank you for stating that the affair partner is seldom a more beautiful or accomplished woman than the wife). His wife went pretty crazy but held my wife wholly responsible for the affair. Thanks for listening. They now live the life I was supposed to have. I was trying for medical school, and my grades were pristine. You really need to let go of this whole thing. Over the 7 weeks ( which is today) I tried 4 times to contact her. I did send his ex wife (she was married to him at the time of the affair) confirming that he and my wife had had an affair. See a lawyer immediately to understand your options. *Embrace the Initial Pros: Sad because one side of the bed is empty? Maybe you agonized about doing this. You'll probably fish more information out of her that way anyhow. That we two have serious problems and good luck. My wife has been mishandling the truth as of late and I want to help you if I can. - I was a complete gentleman - truth. Hope for Healing Registration Soon! What you will be going through is denial, bargaining, depression, anxiety, resentment, anger, etc. We talked a long time and I told her that I was going to contact her husband and let him know that I knew and how disappointed I was in both of them . My head was kind of spinning due to this, and then I accidentally With her 'bf' (the 'other guy') she is the $lut she always wanted to be, and has experienced multi men orgies etc which is simply unthinkable for her to imagine with her husband. Rick's comment that people affair down, not up, is very interesting & my guess is that he's right. Can you imganine the drama and the extra stress? Consider the source. Like a Japanese Tsunami on steroids when she least expects it. This has nothing to do with each others families. Theyre the chumps, they made their choices and have to live with them. Do not upset the poor girl. Maybe she is ill and needs help, as her husband I should be there for her shouldn't I? If you've been tempted to confront the affair partner, leave it to professionals. Go right ahead. Regardless of Do talk to her about the situation. I was done with him, what had I to say to her not my problem, not my problem, not my This single decision that you take to hire a PI, is going to save you so much time, heartache, and even money in the long run. It hurts now, to be forced to fill the separation and see more than a bland life thrown at you without choice, but YOU can fill that hole with something new. If she doesnt stop she should consider the marriage over. Im so sorry to hear things ended up this way. Just yesterday, I met with another woman who's been sleeping with my husband for about as long as we've been married. So I suppose I have quite a bit of power right now to screw up her life, and this fact probably dawned on her in the day or so after I confronted her, and I think she sees reconciliation as the path of least resistance to avoiding these dangers. I never I have fantasized about that, but what is the best thing to say to her, if anything? I am dreading this. In any case several excellent PIs offer their services at reasonable monetary consideration. Will confronting the other woman or man only further his or her resolve? You need to divorce her right now. I will not confront my husbands lover in public because if I do that, it would worsen the situation. Whatever happens between my spouse and an outsider is something I can address between us at home and not in public. My wife will even marry the man. Again he didn't reply. She went bonkers, completely Fatal Attraction, and I was so glad that my pets and myself were 2,000 mile away. It's about us. Hi Jeff. Your loving wife is not a seasoned serial cheaterat least not as yet. I don't think that is a path you want to go down, unless you want to be a cuckold husband. And her family is fairly traditional, and I feel would look extremely negatively upon her for a very long time if they knew shed had an affair. Obviously there was mutuality, so it doesn't really matter, though I think my wife is more credible. I don't blame her. My husband would like to see his dad one more time, but we fear the in-laws will signal to the AP that he is coming and will try to arrange a meeting between them since they want so badly for my husband and the AP to get back together. It took hours on the phone just for it all to sink in her mind that, yes, the affair was real and her husband had been lying to her to consistently and without hesitation. Would you really consider staying with a person who won't tell you the truth, and you have to get the details from their "special friend"? You will never be able to trust her, you'll be constantly checking up on her, whenever you are apart you will be torturing yourself with what she may be doing what kind of marriage is that??? Youre just afraid to accept the facts. That said, I would not recommend it and I won't do it again. I will probably always love her. Just up and moved. As you already admitted, given the situation find yourself in, your self confidence is broken, you can not think straight, and your mind is just going crazy trying to make sense of it all. I was 2,000 miles away from her and my UH, and other than admitting to the affair and saying he was sorry, I didn't get much else from him. She vowed to leave him and told me she had divorce papers ready to go. When devastated by my wife's adultery I responded with great naivete: I believed my wife's partial & trickle truths; in response to her blaming me I took on much too much responsibility & accepted her revisionist history of our marriage; I did not demand an immediate cessation of the affair & no contact; I did not demand she make amends. There are no secrets with her family. Youre as naive as they come. Your confrontation is fresh conversational content for your husband and his affair partner. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. Many of them come specialized in the art of 'spousal cheating', and would be more than happy to render their services and time to you, for a fee which is reasonable. document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Maybe there'll be a duel! Thank you everyone for your patience and understanding in this matter. You are too feeble minded to comprehend this. I love her so much and am scared to confront her about it for fear of what may happen, I suppose I'm hoping if I ignore it she will get over it and everything will go back to normal, but I know deep down that this is naive and weak. Or will your spouse feel sorry for his or her lover? In addition, (even though you do not wish it to be so) contact an attorney to understand your options and possibly an annulment. Don't participate in this humiliating game. I feel that it is great that you do the same . All that matters is taking care of yourself and your son. A few IMPORTANT things. This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. If you've been tempted to confront the affair partner, leave it to professionals. You are also agreeing to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Get professional support. I believe my spouse and I can talk things over and settle our differences without involving a third party. Confronting my wife - need advice. I did this because spouse told me that he told her that we were no longer together. KEEP IT FOCUSED ON HER ACTIONS, NOT YOURS. Im like you, hate and revenge are not a part of my vocabulary. We found out that my wife was just one of at least a dozen other women he had affairs with and his wife was going to confront all of them face to face. c) Reconciliationthat is if you so desire a reconciliation ( I personally would not). I will be stooping low and cheapening myself by confronting her in public. We CAN FINALLY move forward! 1. And your life. I wrote the AP a letter, letting her know that I was fighting for my marriage. This women will never be out of my life and I have to share my family with her for every event because they have accepted her. I messaged them and asked if they wouldn't mind speaking to me. She hasn't. We've turned a page. Meanwhile Im constantly told not to confront and just deal with it. But that, in of itself is helpful. This seems cut throat, but will help you if a custody battle comes up. Nothing! I found Affair Recovery when I was at the darkest point in my life, and this course has helped me to get myself on a true path to recovery." Could they still be seeing each other? Its her shame and her disrespect that got you guys into this situation. I confronted my husband's affair partner. Rick, thank you for this article. Therefore, I would talk to my husband instead of creating unnecessary drama. Safe from ever seeing her unless you want to give her any more power over my life, what! 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