Okay, now that this is figured out, what about spiking the football? I am truly staggered by the impeccable logic and flawless analytical acumen demonstrated by your post. [14] Patriots owner Robert Kraft noted that Al Davis was probably looking down from the afterlife and happy that the rule had been abolished. In this case, they clearly took a victory away from the Raiders. Two class of HatersOne class that likes challenging Raider fans and pointing out the many trials and tribulations of their team and complete morons. I love how people act like the Pats won against the Raiders only because of the tuck rule. end of story. Were things run differently back then? You state that Tom Brady suffered a blow to the head from Charles Woodson on the play which should have been a penalty on the Raiders. Kurt Warner suffered injuries the following season and was eventually released. The Tuck Rule was first enforced in 2001 when Vinny Testaverde faced the Patriots. [13] The Pittsburgh Steelers voted against abolition, while two teams, the Patriots and Redskins, abstained from the vote. @tombradyfumbled This solution also solves intentional grounding. Brady played in the 2000 Thanksgiving game @ Detroit, so this wasn't his first game. The tuck rule had been on the books for years, . In explaining the reversal to the crowd, Coleman stated that the ball was moving forward at the time it was dropped. I know this play has caused Raider fans and many other fans significant consternation over the years. That should have been a roughing the passer call with 15 yards and a first down instead of just a second down. By taking the hit, the Patsies also got to see what the Raiders were doing defensively. It should have been inconclusive. Someone should let the Raider fans know their pathetic defense had about 20 more chances to stop the Patriots on that amazing night. First of all, I agree, its time for the ruled to be changed! But..the reversal was the correct call at the time, because thats the way the rule was written then, and thats the way the rule still reads today. Mike Pereira: Time to create an unneccesary headline and go against everything I have ever said when working in the NFL so Fox can pimp me some more. Put an asterisk next to it. My problem being they didn't even enforce it right against us, Brady has completed his pass motion, he is not in the middle of it. Its just like that asinine interpretation about end-zone catches requiring a Football Move after the catch to be ruled a completion. ", The seven-time Super Bowl champion then backtracked, quote tweeting his video saying, "I said might. "[12] Several Raiders players and observers also said that the Tuck Rule led to head coach Jon Gruden's departure from the team, as owner Al Davis was apparently angry that Gruden did not protest the call vehemently enough. Some may find it surprising that many of the leagues passes target players behind the line of scrimmage. Winning the infamous "Tuck Rule Game" is what propelled the young New England Patriots quarterback to his first Super Bowl victory in 2001. The call was overturned upon review and ruled an incomplete pass, with the tuck rule cited. More like the Raiders started getting worn down near the end of the game, couldnt stop the Patriots offense or convert key third downs when it mattered. Roughing the passer? The latest installment of ESPN's "30 for 30" series, "The Tuck Rule," examines the circumstances that led to the (in)famous incident in the waning stages of a game in the 2001-02 NFL playoffs.. An incomplete pass stops the clock and prevents the loss of yards from a sack. By Pereiras estimate, its been called 120-150 times since it was called in the Raiders-Patriots playoff game (see 2005 story linked in my earlier post) and many times before then, so every team has experienced it MULTIPLE TIMES, though admittedly with lesser importance than that famous instance. Cap SB winning at 4, lifetime? But that aint what this is Einstein this is an ACCEPTED AND ESTABLISHED RULE that was PROPERLY APPLIED. How about this for a rule: you lose the ball it is a fumble. For the last time you stupid Raider fan morons: The Tuck Rule is in place to protect the referees from having to make a judgment on the field about what a QBs intent was at the point he loses the ball. As a Raider fan, I have a different take on the matter. Brady posted his confession on social media, rekindling a. In most cases where the Tuck Rule has been applied, the call would have been a fumble in those other associations. I love how people give the raiders so much attention. What channel is the NFL Network on Time Warner Cable? period. Both teams struggled in the heavy snowstorm during the first half, combining for the same number of punts as first downs (11) and converting only one of 13 third downs. Tom Brady finally admits Tuck Rule play 'might have been a fumble'. The New England Patriots were hosting the then Oakland Raiders in the 2001 AFC Divisional Playoff game. And as long as were griping about refs stealing playoff wins, at best the Raider should consider themselves even with the Patriots given the atrocious officiating in the 1976 Pats-Raiders game not only was the roughing the passer call on Hamilton just as big of a game changer as the Tuck Rule (BTW, that was totally a judgment call and it was BS), on the Pats previous possession, as they tried to pick up a first down to ice the game, LB Vilapiano locked Russ Francis arms at the elbows preventing him from reaching out and catching an easy pass that would have likely ended the game. That set the tone for two more Raiders Super Bowl victories in the following decade. How about simplifying the rules regarding a catch while they are at it. are you still mad because Seymour loosened up your fat schnozz for the Ravens to bust it open like a pinata at a bday party?? The Raiderswent 10-6 and would have had to go on the road to Pittsburgh against the No. And it's most famous use came in the 2001 AFC Divisional showdown between the Raiders and the Patriots. helmet to helmet hits/ ridicilous fines/bs suspensions! Football legend Tom Brady has admitted that his career could have gone very differently if it wasn't for a ruling which went his way in 2002. You had your chance the next season, and the Bucs beat you by 50 touchdowns. The arm is moving forward in both cases. The Patsies got lucky, because otherwise, the game would have ended right there. 20 years later, the Tuck Rule remains one of the biggest and most polarizing moments in NFL history. And since he'll retire after calling half the Pro Bowl later this month, he'll never get the chance. How about game winning play by the defense. As a Patriots fan, I always thought it was a bad rule and wished it were changed, but I also want the refs to follow the rules rather than making stuff up to call. The hit that time came from Tony Bryant rather than Charles Woodson. Smith runs second-fastest 40 by DL since 03, Saleh compares Carr to Stafford pre-Rams trade, Allen to be ready to roll for offseason program, How to maximize leverage of No. Raiders defensive backCharles Woodson tackled Brady, causing the ball to land on the field and allowing Oakland linebacker Greg Biekert to recover the football. So if the quarterbacks hand is technically going backwards when the ball is being tucked, and the ball comes out, it should be a fumble. Poor teams point to adversity as the reason for their failure. No . The tuck rule was abolished on March 20, 2013, by a 291 vote of current teams. The final was Gruden's last game of his first stint as head coach of the Raiders; he was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers before the following season. It was 20 years ago today, when the Patriots played the Raiders, in a snow bowl matchup often referred to as as 'The Tuck Rule Game." The resulting win, leading to an incredible run of postseason victories and Super Bowls for former Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and the Patriots. WELL SAID theandy59 Im age 52 and watched that game myself Then the refs had the gall to add two unsportsman penalties, putting the ball on the five yard line, when in fact the game should have been over. They all need to be replaced and as far away from a football game as possible if they cant see thats a fumble. In week 2 of the NFL season in 2001. The tuck rule was in place for several years before that game, it was not invented on the spot as you seem to think. With 1:50 left, Raiders cornerback Eric Allen, while lurking at the Patriots' sideline, heard Brady's talk with Weis. Losing on a fluke (and possibly bad) call is much more. Think Pereiras pension and/or benefits from his former employer may be lost in the mail? @marinofreakout, you only show your total lack of football knowledge with this statement. With the Patriots heading to the Black Hole to meet the Raiders on. Protect the ball and theres nothing to talk about. Register now! Raiders fans wont be happy until anti-incest laws are repealed. He is a PR machine for the NFL and nothing more. The tuck rule was called in Week 2 of an NFL regular season matchup on September 23, 2001, between the New England Patriots and the New York Jets. I agree to receive the "Pick Six Newsletter" and marketing communications, updates, special offers (including partner offers), and other information from CBS Sports and the Paramount family of companies. I dont care if your elbow grazed the turf or a defender brushed the back of your jersey as you were falling. (Gruden would return to the Raiders in 2018 after spending a stint as a broadcaster with ESPN.). Thats what happened. Remember how you sucked in the Tampa Bay superbowl? Only one of the Patriots 12 balls was underinflated by two pounds, according to the report. (This was also the game in which Patriots quarterback Drew Bledsoe was injured by a hit from Mo Lewis, giving backup Tom Brady a chance to play.). With the tuck rule the entire motion is covered, so there is no room for the ref to screw it up as a judgement call. Jan. 19, 2002 is a date that will always live in infamy for Raiders coach Jon Gruden. "The Tuck Rule Game." The ruling: an incomplete pass. The tuck rule was implemented so refs wouldnt have to define the exact moment that a QB has stopped throwing, and instead is tucking the ball. umm Big Ben is that you?? Bill Belichick should have to insult three teams in a season, one must be in the AFC East. Not much would have changed for Belichicks legacy, either. The nation was still recovering from 9/11. Here is the problem, and why the tuck rule is a rule. A backward pass = fumble. A. Bitch!. Wow! It's been nearly two decades since he walked out of a snow-covered Foxboro Stadium on the wrong end of a 16-13 overtime loss to the Patriots in the infamous "tuck rule" game during the 2001 . My god. this way its absolutely fair for both teams (given that you can agree that his arm was going forward).. To me problem solved, its intentional grounding. If you watch the replay of Cassels arm (or Bradys for that matter) you can clearly see that his arm is moving forward when he loses possession. Patriots should have had 1st and 10 with an extra 15 yards. For one, do you know anything about football? Thus, the original call was overturned, and New England maintained possession. There should also be some kind of rule that stops the Patriots from acquiring draft picks in one year, that turn out to be better the next. Get 1 free month of Audible by clicking the link belowhttp://www.audibletrial.com/JKSCheck out the JKS website https://www.jacksonkruegersports.com/Follow me. You my friend do not ever need to make another post regarding the tuck rule. That Tuck Rule loss to the Patriots may have paralyzed your franchise. They are the ones who make up these rules and train the refs in interpreting them. Never mind. All they simply had to do was have Rich Gannon kneel and the game was over. "Katniss, the girl who was on fire.", When I was younger, I scared my mother to death, the things I would blurt out about District 12, about the people who rule our country, Panem, from the far . Yet they did. This is consistent with most NFL rules as the league tries to make as many rules applications as possible a simple black-white decision (think helmet-to-helmet contact). The name Tuck Rule Game originates from the controversial game-changing play. During ESPN's new 30 for 30 documentary called, "The Tuck Rule", the future Hall of Fame quarterback admitted that if he didn't lead the New. 2 The 'tuck rule' became famous after a New England vs Oakland showdown in 2002 Credit: AFP It was 10 years ago. This rule is fine, its only the whining fans of teams that are unable to do their jobs well enough to win that want this rule changed. Because I find it laughable to be told let it go by New England fans. I think its time to change this rule, Pereira writes at FOXSports.com. but hey, at least they didnt bring out the snow plow for their FG attempt-or did they?? Coleman's announcement stated that the ball was moving forward at the time at which it was dropped. "[2] Tom Brady has won 35 postseason games, by far the most in NFL history. 3 trillion in assets under management, as of March 31, 2022, the most recently available information. So if they rule its not a fumble then it should be ruled intentional grounding, with loss of that down, and ball placed at the spot of where the ball hits the ground. https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/nfl-tuck-rule-game-new-england-patriots-oakland-raiders-what-if, that brilliant Super Bowl game plan he devised for the Rams, his game plan for Super Bowl XXV against the Bills is actually in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 2023 NFL Combine Winners Day 2: It's (another) bumper crop of cornerback talent, LaDainian Tomlinson's nephew going through drills at the combine is sure to make you feel old, 17 NFL greats who were terrible at the scouting combine, Where to watch the NFL Combine, live stream, TV channel, Defensive Backs, The Bears have a smart reason for playing darts and mini golf in their NFL combine interviews, A Seinfeld clip was brilliantly used to analyze John Lynch's body language for Trey Lance talk, The Red Sox found a loophole in the MLB shift ban and it stinks for Joey Gallo, The Warriors left Russell Westbrook ridiculously wide open and it worked to perfection, Survivor 44: Meet the castaways who will compete for $1 million in Fiji, Watch: Man tries feeding bison near Yellowstone; it doesnt go well, 2023 NFL Combine Winners Day 1: Blazing-fast DTs give the Bears plenty to consider, Ranking all 32 NFL teams' helmet logos, from worst to best, How bald eagles really sound (it's not like in the movies), Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. Raiders were the best team in the NFL from 2000-2003 WOULD OF BEEN LONGER PERHAPS IF IT WASNT FOR THAt SCUMBAG! No more "was his arm going forward?" at The gif you link is within the spirit of the rule, the bullshit one against us was not. If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble. You had your chance the next season, and the Bucs beat you by 50 touchdowns Mike Pereira, the former director of officiating of the NFL, noted that the design of the rule avoids the question of the quarterback's intention,[1] except that the referee still must judge whether the initial forward movement of the arm was "intentional". Karma as they say, Is. Really? It was 2001. That gave Brady the starting role over veteran Drew Bledsoe entering the 2002 season and the rest is history. Brady ended up completing 26 of 39 passes for 238 yards in the second half. In 1999, a new rule had been introduced, which eventually became known as the tuck rule: NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. But on replay, Carey said it was an incomplete pass because of the tuck rule. "[11], The Raiders complained extensively that the call was wrong, and that it was made against them because the league had a vendetta against the team, an attitude Oakland quarterback Rich Gannon said was "totally nonsense. The tuck rule was a controversial rule in American football used by the National Football League from 1999 until 2013. If the decision had remained a fumble, it would have almost certainly sealed the game for Oakland. whats funny is this is the one rule i actually liked.. its funny because tom brady did it and it became a rule.. and now a fairly lesser popular Qb to say the least has the same thing happen in playoffs and it needs 2 be changed? After a video-replay review, referee Walt Coleman reversed the call, declaring the play an incomplete forward-pass and giving possession back to New England. Simple. Allen stated that he heard the Patriots' play call. worst call in history of sports. You must be logged in to leave a comment. The way the rule was written, you could probably pump fake, pull the ball back, hang out for ten minutes, have a beer in the pocket, and then fumble, and it's incomplete. Yes, keep the rule until each team has experienced it at least once. While I'm not arguing with you, but I know the general thing now is that if there's not enough evidence but only a sliver of evidence to overturn it, they won't. January 16, 2019 10:09 pm PT. If he gets hit while attempting to throw a pass then it would be incomplete as long as the ball goes forward. Unfortunately, The Tuck Rule won't be available for next-day streaming via Watch ESPN. Bradys was a fumble. According to the rule, he insists the call was made correctly and reiterated those feelings. Is hard reset only way to salvage Jets QB dilemma? Luke Straub. Gruden was asked about the "Tuck Rule" before the Raiders played the Patriots at Gillette Stadium on Sept. 27 . THE 'tuck rule' in the NFL is regarded as one of the most controversial in sports history. If it goes beyond the line of scrimmage it's an incomplete pass. Now days it would be a hands to the face (hitting the quarterback in the head) penalty (15 yds) which is a little better than the incompletion I think. The fact that so many Raider fans are still this upset tells me that things have evened out for that bad call in 1976. But, then again, he had already built up that reputation as a defensive coordinator with the Giants his game plan for Super Bowl XXV against the Bills is actually in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. IMO -if the QB is so pressured by the defense that the ball comes loose,if forward motion doesnt carry the ball past the line of scrimmage (or to the feet of an eligible receiver in the backfield) then it should be a fumble. To make the right call. But yeah I agree with you, nowadays at least it wouldn't be overturned with the whole evidence thing. The Patriots went on to defeat the Pittsburgh Steelers, 2417, in the AFC Championship Game, and then defeated the NFC champions St. Louis Rams, 2017, in the February 2, 2002 Super Bowl XXXVI on a last-second field goal by Vinatieri. Why? It was enforced to the letter of the law in 2001. It was one of the worst calls in the history of sports. @ Monkeesfan When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. The Tom Brady rule states that a defender on the ground who has not been pushed into the quarterback cannot lunge at a quarterbacks knee or lower legs. Any ref who cannot see that is a fumble with more than one look should not have a job as a ref. So get over it, Charles Woodson. During the game, one play and referee ruling makes this an iconic and one of the most controversial games in recent NFL history: The Tuck Rule play. The Raiders were robbed of another shot at the AFC title and a potential trip to the suber bowl. New England ended up advancing into field goal range and an Adam Vinatieri 45-yard field goal sent the game into overtime. CBS Sports is a registered trademark of CBS Broadcasting Inc. Commissioner.com is a registered trademark of CBS Interactive Inc. site: media | arena: nfl | pageType: stories | Plain and simple. Blame the ones that make the rules- Perreira does a great job explaining the stupid a$$ sh!t. How is the ref supposed to determine the exact moment when an arm moving forward transitions from a throwing motion to a tucking motion? Brady was patting the ball. The current rule reads: Passer Tucks Ball. The rule works; people have a hard time with it because they want to think the 2001 game was ruined by it. Tom Brady, after proving himself to the Patriots in 2001, gets the full time starting job still.The Pats would be a winning team throughout the decade, going as low as 8-8 to as high as 12-4. Except for two things. In 2018, Gruden returned to coach the Raiders after a 9-year stint as a television analyst. Then, after a 33-yard punt by Walter gave the Raiders a first down on their own 49, a 22-yard reception by receiver Jerry Rice set up Janikowski's second field goal, from 45 yards, giving the Raiders a 133 lead with two minutes left in the third quarter. Dont fix what aint broke. "[1] The NFL's Competition Committee re-examined the rule after the season but did not change the rule. Unfortunately, most fans will never take the time to see why the rule is there in the first place.